Holy Trinity

Here is my mail to one theology teacher......

In response to your article "The Trinity"

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• Sebastian P.Philip

To

• s-brandt@uiuc.edu

Dear Steve,

  I have read your article about the Theory of Trinity. I believe in the scriptures you quoted in the beginning,

1. There is only one God ( Rom 3:30, etc.)
2. The Father is God ( 1 Cor 8:6, etc.)
3. Jesus is God ( John 1:1, etc.)
4. The Holy Spirit is God ( 1 Cor 6:19, etc.)
5. Jesus is not the Father ( John 1:1, Luke 3:21-22, etc.)
6. Jesus is not the Spirit ( Luke 3:21-22, etc.)
7. The Father is not the Spirit ( Luke 3:21-22) )

But there are many ideas which I disagree. Two facts are in bible,

• There is only ONE God
• Father is God, Son is God &Holy Spirit is God.

There is no single sentence explanation given in bible to connect these two biblical facts or fundamental truths. There the theory of Trinity comes. Please free your mind and think. When we derive a theory to bridge such a fundamental truths in bible, there must be only one tool in place, that is the word of GOD. So to accept any theory to bridge these biblical facts, that theory must be in agreement with all scriptures in Bible, not some or many but ALL Scriptures. Do you think all scriptures agrees theory of Trinity??? I give many examples here, if any of these scriptural proof is not agrees with Trinity you must accept that Trinity Theory is false, because Tertullian can fail But Word of God never fails..........

1. As per the Trinity doctrine, the Godhead contains three eternal persons in one essence, The Father, Son &Holy Spirit. So the fullness of Godhead contains not just the Father, all persons in Trinity. because, Father is not Son, and Son is not Spirit. So the fullness of Godhead means it must contain all the three persons in God.                          So here is my question. Col 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. [θεότης /theotēs: the state of being God or Godhead, used only once in new testament.]  In Jesus, the fullness of Godhead, not just the Son, the fullness means, the Father, Son&HolySpirit, dwell bodily. So who is Jesus as per Trinity?? Just the Son of God or Incarnation of the Fullness of Godhead???? Trinity cant explain this.                                                                                   
2. Trinity teaches, God contains Father Son and HolySpirit from eternity to eternity. Here is my 2nd Question. It says, Son is begotten not made. No matter the Son is described as begotten or made, both differs only in the way of formation but agrees in one thing, TIME. Son is begotten from father, when?? even if it is unknown, if he is begotten there is a point of origin. So when you teach Trinity, Son is begotten not made, you are teaching that Son has an origin, a time of formation, As God doesn't have origin or end,  you indirectly teach Jesus is not God. Here Theory of Trinity leads to sin.                                                                                                                                                                &n bsp;                                                                           
3. You mentioned Jesus is not father. But trinity theory fails to explain another passage in the scripture, Joh 14:7-9  If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. And from now on you know Him and have seen Him. Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us. Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father? Here Jesus says ' now on you know father and have seen the Father. If Father is not Son, How can Jesus say those who see me saw the father? Jesus further asks Philip"How do you say show us the Father?" trinity cant explain this clearly.

Dear brother if I start pointing out the failures of Trinity in explaining the Godhead this medium wont be sufficient. You may tell that human brain cannot contain or explain God. If you believe so you yourself accepting that Theory of Trinity is not fully correct. A half Truth is more dangerous than a false knowledge. But I believe God never hide His identity from Man. Because Jesus is born here is to reveal God. So I think by God's grace I can explain Godhead more accurate than Trinity.

I belive,

• There is Only ONE God.
• Father is God
• Son is God
• Holy Spirit is God
• Trinity cant explain Godhead fully.
• God gave me a different theory from bible to explain Him which correlates the creation, Scientific and mathematical evidences.

In His Service&Love,

 

Sebastian Punnakal Philip,

Is 1John 5:7 in KJV a forgery?????

Is 1John 5:7 in  KJV a forgery?????

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.  
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 

King James Version based bibles and 8 of the later Greek and many Latin versions of New Testament contains the Passage. Here is a humble study about this controversy.... Please be guided by Holy Spirit not by the prejudice.

 I can confirm that this is a clear addition to the Holy Scripture.. Here are the reasons for this. As it is a vast subject I give just an abstract of the main points. 

• This 1John5:7, known as  the Comma Johanneum, is not present in any of the original Greek manuscripts. It present only in Latin scripts and only eight of the later Greek Scripts.

1.  Codex Montfortianus, dating from the early sixteenth century. 
2.  A variant reading in a sixteenth century hand, added to the fourteenth-century codex Regius of Naples. 
3. A variant reading added to a tenth-century manuscript in the Bodleian Library at Oxford. 
4. A variant reading added to a sixteenth-century manuscript at Wolfenbüttel. 
5.  A fourteenth or fifteenth century manuscript in the Vatican. 
6.  A variant reading added to a sixteenth-century manuscript at Naples. 
7. A sixteenth-century manuscript at the Escorial, Spain. 
8.  An eighteenth-century manuscript, influenced by the Clementine Vulgate, at Bucharest, Rumania. 

• Clement of alexandria (AD200): He never used this Passage. This passage is absent from an extant fragment of Clement of Alexandria (c. 200), through Cassiodorus (6th century), with homily style verse references from 1 John, including verse 1 John 5:6 and 1 John 5:8 without verse 7, the heavenly witnesses. 
• Tertullian(AD 160-225): He was engaged in the Trinity- Arian-Sabellian controversies but never used this passage to prove Trinity. If this word were existed during his time, he would have used to defend Arianism. He used even John 10:30, " I and my Father are ONE" but never used 1John 5:7. 
• Jerome(AD 347-420): The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910 asserts that Jerome "does not seem to know the text". This is based on the theory that the Vulgate Prologue. is not from Jerome. [Ref: Catholic Encyclopedia Vol 8 of 15, Epistles of St John, Walter Drum, 1910 p. 435-438, Chief Editor Charles George Herbermann. Online HTML for this section of the Catholic Encyclopedia at newadvent.org.] 
•  NONE of the Greek fathers used this word even during Trinity-Arianism-Sabellianism controversies. 
• The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin; and it is not found (a) in the Old Latin in its early form (Tertullian Cyprian Augustine), or in the Vulgate (b) as issued by Jerome (codex Fuldensis [copied a.d. 541-46] and codex Amiatinus [copied before a.d. 716]) or (c) as revised by Alcuin (first hand of codex Vallicellianus [ninth century]). 

 The most important thing is that this passage is an absolute extra fitting to the whole idea of the chapter. John was telling about the testimonies of water, Spirit and blood for Jesus in 5:6 in separate sentences and it is clear that he put everything clear in the next verse. and there is no reason for the early church fathers to omit this passage from old Greek manuscripts. Omitting the truth and adulteration to the Scripture are equally punishable. Rev 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:" Here is the link for the Adam Clarke's commentary on 1John 5. Please spare some moments to read it.
http://books.google.ie/books?id=E-A8AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA855&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
 [The Holy Bible containing the Old and New Testaments: the text ..., By Adam Clarke, Volume 6, Pg 855.]

 None of the people mentioned here are unitarians or Oneness pentacostalists[They might have not existed during that period]. All are genuine trinitarians. Please find the truth. I hope and pray that you may be guided not by the prejudice but by the Holy Spirit.

 In His love,
Sebastian